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I got an email from Dean at eGamer, wanting to run an article on the clan. Some of you may have seen the article they did on BBH recently, I reckon it'll be good exposure for us.

Anyway, they need the repeated questionaire by Wednesday at 5pm, and I've committed to get it done.

The questionaire is below, please post whatever input you can on any of the questions. I'll then pull it into shape for responding to them.

Also, if anyone has any good clan photos, or photos of clan members, please post them here so that I can add them to the article.

Thanks a lot guys, and I'll ask that you give feedback asap!!

Full Clan Name:
Founding date/year:
Founder Names & Nicknames
Total Members:
Games played:
Teams per game played:
Management staff teams:
Sponsors:

Results from previous events
Photos of various teams and members (logo included etc)

Website address:

History behind the clan - if there is any

The name - how did you come up with it, does it have any particular meaning?


Future idea's for the team/clan - where do you see the team/clan in:
1 Jan 2011
1 Jan 2012
1 Jan 2013

Your outlook on your team and what you've achieved so far. Are you happy with this?



Your biggest competition -- the team you love to beat / biggest rivalry - Who would you play your best to beat, and go the extra mile to beat?


What do you think of South African gaming?

What do you think about competition in the country? What do we need to improve this?



How do you think Console gaming sits against PC gaming? Which do you think is bigger on the competitive and casual scene? Do you feel that PC gaming is dying out for competitions?



Sponsorship for your team - what are you doing to get sponsors (if you are) and how has previous sponsorship helped your team?

Anything else you think would be interesting for people to read and interact with. Anything goes and would help really!
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excellent, ja we must keep it all casual grrr like - n wot not. Capture our epic ethos rather than "we are lark to win for like always and are lark the best ever lark"
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I will try think of something else to add but if as long as my name is in the article it will be epic.


I don't know how much work it will be for Lee but what about cutting a few minutes together from the grrr 07, 08 and 09 vids, kind of like a BEST OF... (just like 5 minutes). Then they can link to it in the article (I am assuming this will be on the web and not in print), I am pretty sure they have never had anything like that before
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That's why I'm soliciting input from you cool types - don't want it to read like an 'address to the board' like my rAge 09 speech ;)
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Great stuff Jarrod... The site is really good to be honest, I have it in my RSS feed and they often post some good articles. Plus, they're SA based, and SA gaming needs all the love it can get.

I would imagine we could re-use some of the stuff we had originally planned to use for the myDL thing.

Here are just a few thoughts in the meantime as I am a bit tied up at the moment.. Sorry if it makes no sense, but i need to put this down so i don't forgot it.. Forgive me for the broken engrish.

Outlook on team..
A very balanced team around to be honest. We all have full-time jobs and/or families etc. Different industries etc. Something around us definitely not fitting into the stock standard "gamer" profile. Love having a good time and rAge2010 proving that as we jolled more than we gamed. But still bring the hurt when we game. We don't game 24/7 but can still dish out a thorough beating to teams that do...

SA gaming...
Needs all the help it can get in my opinion. There is so much talent and its a shame we don't get representation in the big international competitions. We (SA gamers) have what it takes to beat the best in the world, but not the means (sponsorships flying gamers all over the world). Look at how many clans there are and the level of gaming in competitions...

Competition in country and whats needed...
NO WHERE NEAR ENOUGH. See above answer. More interest, more time in the spotlight, less focus on gaming only being for geeks and freaks. The mold needs to be broken etc etc.. Too much of a stereotype on gamers that they suck in all aspects of life. Times have changed, and its time for the perceptions of Joe Public to change too.

PC vs Console..
Console seems to be where the $$$ is, and is far more appealing to the masses (read: casual market). PC though will always be the baseline and competitive gaming will remain alive and well for as long as AAA titles are produced for the PC.


Thats it for now... will have a glaze later and see what the responses are like and hopefully be able to add.
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Re: the history of the clan, name, etc - I recorded a solid bit of info regarding this in the recent rAge footage.
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Some bits from travelling Uncle Mega, use what you choose.

We love gaming and the social aspects of MP's and although we fight hard in clan matches and take them seriously, ultimately we are held together by a bond of friendship rather than tournament trophies.

We love to beat BBH, it keeps us warm at night. I am still smiling from our last victory some weeks ago. There is a strong brotherly rivalry between the clans, we are both well-established and consist of comparatively chronologically gifted gamers who have played against each other many times over several years.

South African Gaming, on the PC side, does not seem to be getting much support. What was disappointing for me, as I am sure it was for many others, was that there were no tournaments at the rAge 2010 LAN for recent titles. The games that I noticed being played were COD4, Counter Strike and DoTA. All fairly old games. I was hoping to see Battlefield Bad Company 2 and Starcraft 2, what happened there?

Console gaming faces fewer cases of piracy, hacks and hardware imcompatability. Until their controllers can compete with a mouse and keyboard for ease and speed of control though, there will always be a market for PC games. I saw all the console motion controllers at work at the rAge expo and whilst they looked fun, I don't see them having an impact on competitive gaming.
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Here is a picture of me which I'm sure we'll want to include in any representation of our clan.
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Photos of various teams and members (logo included etc)
As someone posted, use the pics we submitted for the DL thing. Also a nice pic is the one of our team all in our Smith Optics gear at rAge last year.

History behind the clan - if there is any
From what I've heard, it started out with Jono and Geth playing on the BF2 servers. Jono got sick of ppl complaining to him all the time about how Geth hacks.
So they decided to put a tag on so ppl knew they were playing together (and hopefully help Jono stop listening to ppl's complaints.)
Gravity then asked to apply to the 'clan' and became the third member. After that, random okes just started to ask to join and did so. I don't remember the sequence of the next 5 or so original members. Since then, the clan has continued to grow. We've never actively recruited (to my knowledge anyhow) and mostly had ppl come to us to apply. I think that is why we all have such a strong bond - we all wandered the vast, openness of da internets and finally found a 'home' with [grrr]. Almost as if each of us were drawn here by some unknown power.

The name - how did you come up with it, does it have any particular meaning?
I'm not quite sure what the true story is regarding the name. However, I quite liked the story about Jono and Geth sittin' around tryin to think of a name. With no clever ideas, they 'asked' Jono's doggy to which he responded "grrr".

Future idea's for the team/clan - where do you see the team/clan in:
1 Jan 2011 = After the inevitable end-of-year cool down and after the holidays, [grrr] will start to get back in the swing of things and prepare for competitive play. At this point, there are various new games on the market that we will be exploring. Our mainstay has always been the BF series, but we hope to branch out into other games/genres.
1 Jan 2012 = LOL I don't know and by then I will have handed over the reigns! Although, it is pretty standard every year.
1 Jan 2013 = ditto

Your outlook on your team and what you've achieved so far. Are you happy with this?
I absolutely love our team. We may not have come out 1st place in our many competitive leagues, but we've always given it our best and learned from our mistakes. The most important thing for me is that we have a nice balance of being laid-back clan who still games for fun, but at the same time we can step-up and compete in leagues. We are not just a random bunch of people that get together to play, but rather a group of friends with gaming in common.

Your biggest competition -- the team you love to beat / biggest rivalry - Who would you play your best to beat, and go the extra mile to beat?
First that comes to mind is the geriatric BBH clan... always puts a smile on my face when we beat them in a clannie. For me personally, I also enjoy beating BFC - my old clan.

What do you think of South African gaming?
Ha! What South African gaming? It barely exists. If you compare the gaming here to the USA or Asia for example, its like a drop in the ocean. I watched this one show called WCG Ultimate Gamer based in the USA. It blew my mind! The amount of support and sponsorships other countries have for gamers is amazing. I wish S.Africa would follow suit.

What do you think about competition in the country? What do we need to improve this?
The only major competition in this country is the Telkom DoGaming League. The finals are usually played at rAge annually in October. However, this year there was no competition which was a real shame. To improve on competitions in this country, gaming needs a 'facelift'. Proper advertising, sponsorships and venues are needed foremost.
I think a normal misconception is that gamers are looking for major prizes in competitions. From my experience, this is not true. We play for the love of gaming - not a financial payout. Although, I wouldn't say no to some extra cash in my pocket! :)

How do you think Console gaming sits against PC gaming? Which do you think is bigger on the competitive and casual scene? Do you feel that PC gaming is dying out for competitions?
I think lately that Console gaming is getting preference from software developers. It is becoming more and more common that the PC version of games is simply a port of the console game. PC Gaming will always be more competitive and console more casual. PC gaming will die out (competitive and casual) if developers do not start producing 'made-for-pc' games instead of ports. It is not nice/fun playing an inferior product.


Sponsorship for your team - what are you doing to get sponsors (if you are) and how has previous sponsorship helped your team?
We've had sponsors for our past competitions at rAge. As we have members in Durban and Cape Town, it helps greatly with the financial burden of logistics and accommodation. We were in discussions with a company last year for long-term sponsorship, but it fell through due to (Jarrod insert a reason).
We realize that sponsorship is a two-way street and so would like to try to build [grrr] up to a marketable 'brand'. Not only would the sponsorship help [grrr] as a clan, but we hope that the exposure would give us the opportunity to bring positive attention to gaming in general and increase the interest of gaming in South Africa.
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Here's some stuff that I put together earlier on today. Not included Geth or Shadeys comments in yet.

Editting suggestions required please...


Full Clan Name:

[grrr]



Founding date/year:

The tags first appeared in 2005, but we only became recognised as a clan from 2006



Founder Names & Nicknames:

Jonno “s3xy_j0nny” Wickwar and Gethyn “Megageth” Gilmore



Total Members:

Currently about 18 – I can’t recall the exact number

History behind the clan - if there is any

I guess that the beginning is the place to start. GRRR was founded by J0nny and Mega as a means of showing people that they knew each other. As keen Battlefield 2 players, they often found themselves playing separately in squads on public servers, where their squad members would bad mouth their friend, unaware that they knew each other. They added the tag [grrr] in front of their names not so much as a clan tag, but rather as a way of letting the world know that they were mates. And that they didn’t appreciate it when their mate was accused of being a haxxing mutha****er or some such insult.



Imagine their surprise when, about a year later, someone approached them in-game, and said that of all the clans playing on the local servers, [grrr] was the one that most suited his personality. Astounded that they had actually received an application to join their band of misfits, they accepted the new member, Lawrence “gr@v1ty” McKelvin, and posted on the SGS forums that, after a year of rigorous screening, [grrr] had finally recruited their third member.



A flurry of member invitations and applications followed. Soon to join the clan were Lee “SlipperyDuck” Logan, Jarrod “Dragonne” McElhinney, and Mike “Flycatchr” Fletcher. All were identified as likeminded individuals, who enjoyed the social aspect of online gaming as much as the competitiveness of playing for a clan.



All was not sunshine and roses, however. The informal and easy to manipulate application policy had resulted in the acceptance of Paul “Candidate” DuPlessis, before it was realised by the general membership that he was, in fact, a chimp masquerading as a human being through shaving his palms and temporarily suppressing the urge to hurl dung at everyone he met. Once this catastrophic error in judgment had been realised, and with no recourse for removing Paul from the clan once he had been accepted, it was decided that a significantly more rigorous application process must be followed going forward.



Since that day, members are no longer invited to join the clan, they must first apply in writing on our forum. On application, the potential recruit is subjected to a period of interrogation by all existing clan members, where they are obligated to answer all sorts of questions, from the completely inane, to the downright incomprehensible (thanks again, Paul!!). Only after all members are satisfied that the applicant is a good fit, will they be granted entrance into the hallowed halls of [grrr].



Over the years, we have admitted a number of new members, and have lost a few too. The core of what is [grrr] however, has remained the same. We are a bunch of good friends that meet up on a daily basis to indulge ourselves in our favourite hobby – playing PC games, and enjoying each other’s company. Whether it’s a competitive Battlefield clannie, a psychopathic session of Worms, or some co-op Left 4 Dead or Titan Quest, we all agree; it’s far more fun gaming with close friends.



Games played:

Originally founded as a BF2 clan, nowadays we dabble in all sorts of games and genres. We are more about being a group of online ‘family’ playing games together than being a hardcore competitive clan. That said, we do compete, currently being involved in the Bad Company 2 DoGaming league (although that has now concluded for this year)



Teams per game played:

We only have one team enrolled in the DoGaming BC2 league. Due to the fact that we are an older bunch of gamers (most of us being in our thirties) it is difficult for us to commit to the rigorous plying schedules that the young ‘uns are able to manage – real life, after all, takes its toll. As nice as it would be if our spouses could rear our offspring without our input (particularly between 7pm and 1pm on weeknights and all day Sundays), this is not likely to happen any time soon!! ;)



We have dabbled with competing in other leagues in the past, most notably Call of Duty (both COD4 and World at War). Despite our initial enthusiasm when founding a new team, we have found it difficult to sustain an interest in these games. At the end of the day, Battlefield 2 was the first love for all of us, and we tend to gravitate towards the BF style of play. Having said that, we’re always on the lookout for something new to play, and if a competitive community springs up around it, we’re game to give it a go.



Management staff teams:
[grrr] Management is a real challenge. One of the reasons why our clan works so well is that we are all a bunch of mature individuals. Unfortunately, with mature often comes being opinionated, set in your ways, and stubborn (not to mention the incontinence!!). Managing this group is much like herding cats.



As such, it was decided early on that clan leadership would be rotated between members, on an annual basis. Every year, prior to our annual rAge gathering, we vote in the next clan leader. The only stipulation is that the current leader is ineligible for consideration. Thus far, we’ve had five leaders elected:



2006/07 – Megageth

2007/08 – s3xy_j0nny

2008/09 – SlipperyDuck

2009/10 – Dragonne

2010/11 – Sheri “NiteShade” Buchner



The most recent election of NiteShade as clan leader is notable for two reasons. Firstly, as she is (as far as we know), the first female clan leader in South Africa, but also she has had to overcome the handicap of being American!! Something that she’s done extremely well so far J



Sponsors:
[grrr] has flirted with sponsorship a few times over the years. This sponsorship has typically manifested itself as contributions towards our annual pilgrimage to the Mecca of South African gaming – rAge at the Dome. These sponsorships have never been large in terms of monetary value, and are most often supplied by employers, clients and or friends of clan members, or raised through contributions of the members themselves.



In 2010 however, we attempted something entirely more ambitious. We were approached by the publisher of a technology magazine, they were looking for a clan to represent their brand – a group that demonstrated an electronic lifestyle, rather than being ultimately competitive. This was an exciting prospect for us. The prospect was there for us to showcase our clan identity, through blogging, product launches, video making and general interactions with technology. Due to our age and demographic profiles, we slotted quite nicely into this magazine’s target market. It was a chance to change the perceptions of the public in South Africa about online gaming.



Unfortunately, after long discussion lasting several months, the magazine in question ceased production. It was a terrible letdown to us, after all of the effort that had been expended in attempting to take the [grrr] brand one step further.



As it stands now, all of the ideas that we had for showcasing a technology lifestyle within a gaming clan still exist. We’d love to talk with any content provider that has the foresight to recognise the potential that there is within such a brand.


Results from previous events
As previously mentioned, competitive results and achievements are not the primary focus of [grrr]. That said, we have still worked very hard to be as competitive as possible an any competition that we enter. Our bet results in the BF2 arena came in 2008, when we finished 2nd in the AGASA league, and 3rd in the rAge competition. Considering that the competitive BF2 community was entirely dominated by FiB for the last four years, coming second in the league was, to us, a tremendous achievement. Until that time, [grrr] had been seen as the party boys and girls of the community (and of course the coolest clan to be part of), but at this time other clans began to take us seriously as competitors.



Photos of various teams and members (logo included etc)

Website address:
www.grrr.co.za



The name - how did you come up with it, does it have any particular meaning?
The origin of the name [grrr] is simple. It’s the sounds we make when another player is consistently beating the snot out of us in-game. It could be because of bad luck, or the other player’s inherent l33tness. It could be that the other player is using illegal assistance to improve their performance, or it could be that our beloved wife, child, girlfriend, dog, cat, goldfish or pedigree Siberian hamster just jumped on us from behind causing us to miss that ultimate humiliation kill. Whatever the cause, the result is the same: GRRR!


Future idea's for the team/clan - where do you see the team/clan in:
1 Jan 2011
1 Jan 2012
1 Jan 2013

Your outlook on your team and what you've achieved so far. Are you happy with this?
[grrr] has developed a reputation amongst the BF community for being fun loving, sociable, competitive and a good bunch to hang out with. And this is exactly where we want to be. One of the best comments that is heard from various community members during and after rAge every year alludes to the fact that [grrr] are always there, and we’re always leading the party.

That's as far as I've got so far...
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