GRRR Squad Forum

No you see thats not the case.

What we lack it the team support play and the disciplined holing a shooting line play.
This is why we are playing metro.. to learn those things.
For the last time, metro we are not playing to get good at metro. We are playing metro so those skills can translate across to other maps.

I have just spoken to barry on skype and he given a few pointers on metro.
Gonna phone him this eve and he will give me more detail. And a few tips on better shooting and drills.

Basically. His points.. the 3 guys on clinic side when pushing in from Russian side are wasted.
Smoking we must smoke timed together, and as soon as it goes down we must ALL push one side in a staggered manner.
Or send one guy one side first so they all look there and then push another side.

Taaigher thats the strat I proposed earlier?....

Can I suggest 1 thing for clannies until we are slick, can we split the com channels, then the SL can shout to the other squad if needed. The comms got a bit hectic last night and a few calls were missed (lost in the noise)

Yeah I think the intention of playin Metro was not to play it in DGL games but to improve on the worst aspects of our game. We did play Metro in a DGL game but it was a predetermined outcome so we treated it as a practice. We still havnt absorbed those aspects completely and I really think we do need to keep playing metro until we can at very least best a first division team on it.

We had our chances on the US side, but we just couldn't seem to get a foothold. However, when we are defending the same situation we just get steamrolled immediately. I don't understand it at all. We hear a call and suddenly we forget our positions and before we know it we are being stormed from the front. We have to be able to rely on each other to hold our sections with minimal support from each other.

Yes Russian you are right but we tried that play last night and we ended up completely wiped. The key is not pushing with all 8 players at once in one place but pushing effectively with 6 or less. That's one of the aspects we need to learn - mindless Zerg tactics do not work. We need to learn to push effectively and do it quickly. We need to prac the fair pair clear ATM, the second pair clear bottom lockers, the third inside etc.

So initially smoke is deployed to block line of sight as much as possible. Then two guys rush, two seconds later two more go, then two more. If you all stack up on one side it's just too easy to tell and adjust defence accordingly plus when you do actually go up there are so many bodies in such a small place nothing effective happens and two or three players fall to one defender.

I agree with splitting comms. It's not ideal but none of us has the comm maturity to call calmly and efficiently. We make panicked calls because there is just so much other panicked comm we don't know whether our message is getting through or what is important. Either we split comms or we literally do not allow non squad leaders to talk except to say 2 enemy on bushy etc. nothing more. Whether we can do that is doubtful in my opinion.

Tyger and I speak on shout always, ie as our ptt and everyone else is on squad comms. It just means QB and I need to repeat important info for each other.

its time to man up okes. We need to mature as players and mature as a team. There is no shortcut or low effort option. Let Tyger and I deal with the strats and you just do what we need to the absolute best possible outcome. The more we place trust in each other the more win we will reap. We simply cannot continue as a group of independent individuals in the same time and place.

I listened in last night. I know you guys have all pointers and Paul highlighted it! No one is listing and actively listing to anyone else. Simple as that.

Someone would call 2 in Orange I'm down and then everyone would be instr-spammed from Orange to their greatest surprise. From an outside in perspective, listen to each other and acknowledge it as a team this might start to help with cohesion because currently disjointed and missed communication is cause massive delays in the reaction time of the team in my thought. I know when you in game its mad! But this is something that I think you should look at.

I watched a Team vid were the specific team 'Rogered' Every single players Tactical information. They fucked around with eet abit and took it as a joke but it does force you to acknowledge each other more.

I don't know much but I think trying this might just help with com's and creating a greater awareness between the team, you cannot expect to work well and melt together if you not listing to each others calls and info.

I'm not saying 'don't play metro at all' and as a non-committed player it's probably not right for me to make too many observations and comments, however;
The point I'm trying to make here is that at this stage we are learning nothing from it, getting pounded and frustrated for an hour every time we practice on this map is actually not benefiting the team, it's actually demoralizing.
Whist I appreciate the fact that we need to break through the barrier that is our very own MetroNemisis, what it is doing During the League now is taking away practice time on other maps that we could otherwise perfect and play to our strengths.

My opinion is that we need to Raise our spirits/moral and play to our strengths. - hearts and minds

Feel free to ignore what I've said, I ain't the BF boss, I'm just voicing my thoughts on the matter as I think time is too short to tinker. /2c

QB correct me if I'm wrong but I understand the thinking to be that we are at the beginning of the season in Premier Division, totally outgunned. We have a good opportunity to improve our game before we are inevitably dropped to First Division.

Then we should put SSG PL, BzK, A2K, PewPew etc to shame because as it stands these teams are stronger than us. Hopefully we can qualify on top of First div to qualify for rAge again and possibly Premier again some time towards the end of the year or next year.

So we have to take this chance to get fucked up because even if the morale is poor now, when we go down we will play at a higher level and the morale will boost again because then we will actually be deserving of a premier spot. We have massive gaps in our game we refuse to fix and premier teams don't have that.

as much as I don't like to admit it, BzK Zaphire is right we don't deserve to be in Premier we can hardly hold our own in first division. We just got lucky with the way the league worked out and we have to recognise that. If we don't go through the pain to grow now we never will and we will be condemned to 1st division or worse forever.

We can't rely on a handful of individuals anymore. We have to learn to infantry, learn to engineer and learn to play as a team. The longer we avoid the effort of learning to make it a happy and fun experience in the short run the longer we go sideways and ruin the long run potential of enjoying our battlefield by winning.

Yip that is how I understand it Hubris.

As for metro I think I know why we are really improving.

We are trying to conquer/improve everything all at once and as a result we miss everything. What we should be doing is for each map (specifically Metro)

So next time we play we say, the Objective for this match is timing. We only work on getting to the same points at the same time.

Then the next match (assuming we achieve the objective) we work on support, specifically reviving and med packs.

Then the next match we work on actually getting the kills.

Right now we don't have the foundation and so we can't do the more complex things, so if we just build on 1 objective match after match instead of trying to achieve them all at once.

That is my opinion.


Side note - Even better than team death match would be squad death match for Pub play practising, server has to be well populated though, that is the only trick

All good points.

The biggest fucking problem i see at the moment is OKS DONT FUCKING LISTEN!!

How many times have i said why we playing metro?
How many times have i explained about treating the top tier games as prac games?
How many times do we have to tell oks passwords, what time to be at a game or prac, what side we playing, what perk they should use, what weapon they should take?
Post a thread with a break down of all our games and oks cant even be bothered to read it.

Everybody is quiet not to listen, but just waiting for their chance to speak.

Until everybody takes some personal responsibility and stop relying on someone else to do it for you we are going to have probs.

SlipperyDuck wrote:I'm not saying 'don't play metro at all' and as a non-committed player it's probably not right for me to make too many observations and comments, however;
The point I'm trying to make here is that at this stage we are learning nothing from it, getting pounded and frustrated for an hour every time we practice on this map is actually not benefiting the team, it's actually demoralizing.
Whist I appreciate the fact that we need to break through the barrier that is our very own MetroNemisis, what it is doing During the League now is taking away practice time on other maps that we could otherwise perfect and play to our strengths.

My opinion is that we need to Raise our spirits/moral and play to our strengths. - hearts and minds

Feel free to ignore what I've said, I ain't the BF boss, I'm just voicing my thoughts on the matter as I think time is too short to tinker. /2c

I completely agree with Lee here.
We are allready in league and we have BARELY touched on the other maps on the majority of which we will be playing better as it plays better to the teams strenghs ..... We could have learned valuable lessons on Maps we can shoulder by now. We should be focussing on our strenghs during clan matches and not our weaknesses as this makes no sense at all to me(maybe I am being a moron here, but I dont think so)

Frankly some of you have shown you dont give 2 shits about my opinion but there it is whether you like it or not.....