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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:43 pm
by Skouperd
EGGMAN wrote:Here is the one I use :

http://battlefield.realmware.co.uk/bf4-settings-editor/downloads

And I quote.. "special game fixes/workarounds for several Battlefield 4 key binding bugs"


you mean the same company which EA specially said is not allowed to be used for BF3?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654490136559689/

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:45 pm
by KakHard
I only use the keybinding function.
I can go and edit the Keys file myself, but then have to look up all kinds of key-codes for "delete" and "insert" etc.

If there is another little tool, I'll gladly use it.
I'm the last person you have to worry about cheating.


The BF3 one had colour tweaking functions which was bannable.
I'm not sure if BF4 has that, but as I mentioned I just select the Keybindings/Control tab.

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:55 pm
by BadA$$jack
And the verdict is ?????

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:19 pm
by KakHard
Well here is some info on the utility I use and the one we know DICE didn't like for BF3 :


The BF3 Colour tweaker : http://battlefield.realmware.co.uk/colour-tweaker/faq (which only idiots would use)

"Will this get me kicked or banned by PunkBuster?
Possibly. Unlike all of our other tools, BF3 Colour Tweaker does modify the game files of Battlefield 3, which could potentially get detected by PunkBuster. At the time of writing, it is safe to use on PunkBuster servers. However, this could change at any time in the future."

Read the whole thing about that if you like.



And then the one I use : http://battlefield.realmware.co.uk/bf4-settings-editor/faq

"Will this get me kicked or banned by PunkBuster?

No. BF4 Settings Editor is entirely safe — you will not get into any trouble with PunkBuster. BF4 Settings Editor only modifies your Battlefield 4 settings files; it does not touch the core game data in any way, nor does it make any modifications to the running game. There are many players using this tool, and none of them have reported any issues with PunkBuster."

From the BF3 Settings Editor (not the colour tweaker) :

"Does DICE approve of and allow this tool?

DICE has not made any official statement about BF3 Settings Editor; however, they are aware that it exists and is in use by many players. It is unlikely that they would officially approve it as it is a third-party tool, but it is also very unlikely that they would decide to disallow it. A DICE employee even posted to say it was a "cool tool" and give us advice to help us improve it.

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:21 pm
by Skouperd
EGGMAN wrote:I only use the keybinding function.
I can go and edit the Keys file myself, but then have to look up all kinds of key-codes for "delete" and "insert" etc.

If there is another little tool, I'll gladly use it.
I'm the last person you have to worry about cheating.


The BF3 one had colour tweaking functions which was bannable.
I'm not sure if BF4 has that, but as I mentioned I just select the Keybindings/Control tab.


guys, look, don't shoot the messanger. I hear what you are all saying in terms of "oh, but I can do it with commands as well and whatever". Oh, and I am using it to give me a FPS boost... or I am doing it for this or that reason. There are two issues here:

1. EA is specifically saying no third party tools are allowed nor may you use any tools other than those authorised by EA to alter the game in any way. They group it as the same offence as using hacking and exploits and what not.

2. I appreciate that what a lot of you do is using the config files to "automate" some manual typing etc. (despite it being prohibited by point 1 above). These same config files that you create can and has been used in the past to abuse the game settings. This is done because not all the commands that is available is listed when you press ~ ingame. There are a lot more commands available than those depicted when you press ~ and those are the ones that can be activated with config files. Which is how several bannable things can be launched from.

In order for people not to abuse the system they have given you certain ways on how you can configure the game. The first is the ingame settings, if you have a budget pc then you can get the game playable in there. If you need to figure out how the game is doing with one or another one then you can turn on and off certain features in the consule (FPS overlay etc.) manually.

However, EA is very specific in that no third party tools may be used to edit or alter the game, and that unfortunately includes amending config files. I understand why they will NOT give people access to it (just because you can open the file does not mean you have access to it) as this is where things will be abused.

If we are really serious about playing as a clean clan, there can be no "grey" areas, if there is indeed a "grey area" then the game provider, EA, TOS has to have the final say and in this case, it is very clear. You may not edit or alter any file unless it is explicitly authorised by EA. (and I have not been able to find any where that EA has authorised users to edit specific files with any tool).

I will leave this topic now, (the messenger has been shotted a couple of times now) but I do think if we want to be seen as a really truly upstanding clan that follow the rules to the letter we should abstain from doing anything that may be frowned upon by EA and in the case of grey areas, the TOS must prevail. (and as stated, the TOS in this case is very clear).

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:25 pm
by TygerBS
There are n grey areas here Perd.
You the only one that is unclear here.
Config files are, always have been and will in the future remain a non cheating way to change configuration setting for games.
The fact you are confused about that is the amazing thing.

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:33 pm
by KakHard
The thing for me is I can't wait till patch #2 for me to config my reload key.
DICE is at fault here, I had to fix it.

I understand your point in wanting the clan to always be above board, I agree.
But this is not such a big issue.
If you want, I can even open a thread on DGL and get input there.

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:39 pm
by Skouperd
TygerBS wrote:There are n grey areas here Perd.
You the only one that is unclear here.
Config files are, always have been and will in the future remain a non cheating way to change configuration setting for games.
The fact you are confused about that is the amazing thing.


Guys, I am keeping this whole thread non personal and using actual clauses from the legal agreements and in return I am getting a bunch of insults? Seriously?

It is very easy, if EA has authorised you to make those changes, then please show me where they have authorised you to do that. Instead of giving me "but we have always done it, therefor it is ok", or, "but everybody else is using it, therefor I can use it too". I am showing you that EA is saying you may NOT do it yet you rather dish out insults instead of just showing me where EA has authorised you to make those changes.

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:41 pm
by Skouperd
EGGMAN wrote:The thing for me is I can't wait till patch #2 for me to config my reload key.
DICE is at fault here, I had to fix it.

I understand your point in wanting the clan to always be above board, I agree.
But this is not such a big issue.
If you want, I can even open a thread on DGL and get input there.


I don't think DGL is the right place Eggy, I would actually suggest taking this to EA directly and get them to authorise it. I understand there is a need to do that, due to bugs etc. so they may actually agree to it.

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:50 pm
by TygerBS
Skouperd wrote:Guys, I am keeping this whole thread non personal and using actual clauses from the legal agreements and in return I am getting a bunch of insults? Seriously?

It is very easy, if EA has authorised you to make those changes, then please show me where they have authorised you to do that. Instead of giving me "but we have always done it, therefor it is ok", or, "but everybody else is using it, therefor I can use it too". I am showing you that EA is saying you may NOT do it yet you rather dish out insults instead of just showing me where EA has authorised you to make those changes.


I didn't insult you. Where did i do that?
I find it insulting that you even discussing this.

I am sorry you found what i said insulting Skouperd, not my intention.

You want to continue to go on about it on technicality. You go right ahead.
Your point has been noted..... as pointless as it is.

I for one will use a cfg file if and when i need, until such time i get warned or banned for doing so.