2013 BF3

Post by **DryMan** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:50 pm

Competitive (DGL First/Premier)
Hubris
Voetsek
Paul
Tyger
Russian
Cr0n0s
DryMan

Casual (DGL)
Voetsek
Icen

Public (not DGL)
Voetsek
Dragonne
Phatso
Slipperyduck

Post by **Megageth** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:55 pm

[color=#FFFFFF]Competitive (DGL First/Premier)[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Hubris[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Paul[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Tyger[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Russian[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Cr0n0s[/color]
DryMan

[color=#FFFFFF]Casual (DGL)[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Icen [/color]

[color=#FFFFFF]Public (not DGL)[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Dragonne[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Phatso[/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]Slipperyduck
Mega

- One day, when I get a real job, I will rejoin the competitive scene. [/color]

NoMaD · Post by **NoMaD** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:51 pm

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Competitive (DGL First/Premier)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Hubris[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Paul[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Tyger[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Russian[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Cr0n0s[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]DryMan[/color]

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Casual (DGL)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Icen [/color][/color]

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Public (not DGL)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Dragonne[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Phatso[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Slipperyduck
Mega
Nomnom[/color][/color]

Post by **Hubris** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:24 am

Ok so who's left? J0nny, Skoups, Slodaz, Fly, Nightshade?

Post by **s3xy_j0nny** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:20 am

[INDENT] [color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Competitive (DGL First/Premier)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Hubris[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Paul[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Tyger[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Russian[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Cr0n0s[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]DryMan[/color]
j0nny (quite happy as reserve/oppfor at pracs)

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Casual (DGL)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Icen [/color][/color]

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Public (not DGL)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Dragonne[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Phatso[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Slipperyduck
Mega
Nomnom[/color][/color]
[/INDENT]

Post by **J_Th4ng** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:22 am

Murgs, Lep.

Skouperd · Post by **Skouperd** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:10 pm

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]ompetitive (DGL First/Premier)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Hubris[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Paul[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Tyger[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Russian[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Cr0n0s[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF]DryMan[/color]
j0nny (quite happy as reserve/oppfor at pracs)

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Casual (DGL)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Icen [/color][/color]

[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Public (not DGL)[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Voetsek[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Dragonne[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Phatso[/color][/color]
[color=#FFFFFF][color=#FFFFFF]Slipperyduck
Mega
Nomnom
Skouperd
[/color][/color]

Post by **Hubris** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:48 pm

Well based on what happened last year and the general scarcity of remaining members, I don’t think they will be keen and we could be waiting some time for a response. If I’m doing you a disservice, post and I’ll recalculate but I believe the overall picture is unlikely to change materially. We have long talked about taking two teams into DGL – considering the need for the bare minimum in substitutes (2 per team), that’s a 20 player requirement. So far we have 10 with varying conditions who are interested in some way shape or form in playing in the DGL tournament. Enough for one team, pending player conditions.

Phatso has been appointed recruitment manager and we need him to tell us whether he thinks it is viable to recruit another 10 players in the next 3 months? That’s at least 3 players per month, vetted and approved and whatever else. I don’t think so, but maybe he’s got ideas/plans I’m not considering here. He must also start the thread where people can post the names of players they consider suitable or potential recruits, so he can start putting together a recruitment plan and get some rubber meeting the road on this topic. grrr doesn’t have a lot of time to get new blood in before it falls out of DGL entirely.

My frank feel of the situation is that grrr has struggled to recruit 3 members in a good year, let alone 3 players in a month – so I don’t think it is likely grrr will field a second team in 2013. Considering that literally half the Baggers have retired, I also think it will be a tough ask for grrr to improve upon this year. A more practical approach would be to take one team into DGL with the objective of remaining in first division. From a recruitment perspective, I think the most practical approach is to aim to recruit at least 4 guys in the next 3 months so at best 12 will play and at worst, 8 will play – but at least the team will play.

From there, I think a minimum of one player per month will need to be recruited to resource a second team in 2014; obviously this figure depends on how many guys actually make good on their commitments and how many guys have changes in circumstances – but I think this is as balanced a requirement as we can get today. Despite the disappointing prospects, there is a silver lining in the sense that 2013 presents an opportunity to address team issues, expand the player base and build systems to take competition further in grrr. Or don’t, whatever. These are my parting suggestions.

I’m not keen to be involved in the grrr 2013 or future seasons given what I feel is an on-going battle to field any team for anything despite warnings, protests and efforts towards fixing the player base issue for at least the last two years - I have factored my absence into the above figures, don’t worry. I appreciate the guys who came out and said they would play competitively, I thank you for that. I am sad to be the bearer of bad news and leave you to make your own way from here. Next step, grrr needs to find out what the players and founders feel about 2013, approve a recruitment plan and appoint a new captain. Or don’t, whatever.

Based on the feedback and my assessment, the new squad involves:

Paul
Tyger
Russian
Cronos
Voetsek (if he sorts out his PC)
DryMan (when he’s not chasing Asian tail)
J0nny (as a reserve only)

Post by **DryMan** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:10 pm

well, this is rather disappointing. maybe you are being a bit hasty? see how the next month goes, everyone is still playing bl2. we need to get back into the bf3 groove.

Post by **Hubris** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:59 pm

Sure buddy. Look man I hear where you are coming from and I appreciate the spirit in which it was said, but this isn't something that's coming off the cuff. These issues were discussed at rAge and this is a recurring theme.

No one else has the balls to talk about this issue for fear of stepping on big toes or is willing wake up to the fact that we have a crisis on our hands every year and make a change - thats only half the problem. I'm very passionate about the team and I don't take my decision lightly at all.

I don't think I'm the right person to lead a grrr team next year and I think I'll be more destructive than good for the guys who do want to play. I need to find an environment in which my philosophy and goals are supprted or I'm just going to remain unhappy.

Sorry bro, it's just teh way it is