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Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by FlatspinZA » Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:24 am

Geth wrote:Flatty you know that write-up is a year old right?
Prices were different back in the day when Drags had a decent rig.


My bad, all I saw was November. Yeah, then the 920 makes sense - 950 was insanely priced at the time. All say after me, "Flatty is a douchebag!" :p

Sheez, you okes must post more often. :curses:

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by Megageth » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:08 pm

Flatty you know that write-up is a year old right?
Prices were different back in the day when Drags had a decent rig.

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by FlatspinZA » Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:46 pm

That's an impressive setup, Dragonne. The only thing that really perplexes me is why you chose the i7 920 as opposed to the i7 950?

Yes, yes, I'm guilty of not reading all of your article - I'll get there when my eyes aren't going all screwy on me - Schnapps & beer will do that, you know.

How much did you get the 920 for, if you don't mind me asking?

EDIT: They dropped the price of the i7 950 at the beginning of November, or October - not quite sure. Knocked R3k off the price. R2065 excluding VAT on my pricelist.

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by AuRoRa » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:31 am

LOl!!!!
I wonder how much my 1100W would suck those candles??

Jarrod , man what a write-up! Well captured and very impressive! U built yourself a beasty there ! Im impressed with the complete setup , and the overall results are awrsome!

Clearly all the components are very well placed and balanced in your system and i think u did a great job of "spec-ing"

Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant...

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by J_Th4ng » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:59 am

Baseline wrote:What are the 2 candles for in the first picture?


Nice question, I'm pleased to see that you were paying attention.

The answer to the question is simple. They were there so that I could see after my 1000W PSU sucked all the juice out of the mains :D

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by baselineac » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:04 am

nice review
question...
What are the 2 candles for in the first picture?

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by Paul » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:24 am

Holy shit Jarrod, that is one hell of a review. Must say a beauty of a machine.

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by J_Th4ng » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:47 pm

Part V: Performance and Overclocking

Once I had my system installed and configured, it was time to see how well it performs. Before I get on to gaming performance, I’m going to to write a few words on my general experience within Windows 7.

As previously mentioned, I’ve been using Vista 64 Home Premium for the last couple of years, and I have been happy with the stability and performance of the Operating System. Previously, my OS was installed on a RAID 0 array of two WD Raptor 10,000RPM HDDs (sold! To Jean - the only bidder), so the system was no slouch. However, it isn’t even comparable to my new system in terms of general windows performance. I’m not sure how much of this is due to the SSD, and how much to the efficiency improvements within Windows itself, but this PC has to be experienced to be believed. A cold boot of Windows takes about 20 seconds, from post to complete load. When I double click on an office application, the application is fully open and ready to work with by the time I take my finger off the button. Yes, it’s that fast.

Games load up super quick. Maps even faster. I haven’t played much BF2 since the install, but I’m pretty much guaranteed to be the first person in the map on load (shame I’m not a jet wh0re).

SSD’s are phenomenal. They are an improvement over HDD’s by a huge order of magnitude. In ideal circumstances (random reads) SSD’s are up to 50x faster than a Velociraptor drive (the fastest SATA HDD currently available). Without a doubt, the biggest performance improvements in my PC have come from the addition of this little technological marvel. I can’t wait until my second one arrives, so that I can get a few more games installed for some more testing.

Yes, they are expensive. No doubt you need a bit of cash to have one. However, it will make more of an impact to your general computing experience than any other upgrade. I can’t recommend them highly enough.

Anyway, enough waxing lyrical about SSDs, how about the rest of my system?

It’s fast. In fact it’s very fast. I’m limited with drive space for installing games at the moment, but I’ve played BF2, COD4, Borderlands and L4D2 (demo), and all run with maximum settings at 1920x1200 and full AA without any hint of slowdown. COD4 doesn’t drop below 125 FPS ever (it’s limited to this number so I don’t know how high it could go). BF2 is no use for benchmarking, my old system had it maxed out, so not much will have changed. As far as synthetic benchmarks go, I'll get to that in a bit ;)

As previously mentioned, it was always my intent to get a good overclock out of this CPU, because I believe it has the headroom. The biggest challenge that I had overclocking the i7 was understanding all of the terminology. Overclocking a core2 is relatively straightforward. You can configure the FSB speed and the multiplier, to get a core speed. In this regard, and i7 is the same. Where it isn’t the same is in the voltages and other parts that work off the same clocks. One of the biggest changes in the i7 architecture is the incorporation of the memory controller onto the CPU. This means that overclocking the CPU is also overclocking the memory controller. Kinda. There are more voltages to look at, and more variables to consider.

For my part, I chose to research my requirements. I found a forum thread with specific instructions on i7 overclocking, with a target frequency of 4.0GHz (not bad for a 2.67GHz CPU - that’s a 50% overclock). I read up on the requirements, and applied the ‘quick and dirty’ methodology suggested, in order to get the CPU to 4GHz. I fired up the PC, and... it worked. First time. Using Prime95, I ran a 24 hour iteration of the mixed torture test. This had all 8 logical cores (4 physical cores) running at 100% for 24 hours. I didn’t get a single error. Temperatures were a little high, peaking out at 85 degrees on core 1 over the period, but considering the recommended threshold is 100 degrees, it’s still okay.

This wasn’t good enough for me, however. I don’t want my CPU reaching 85 degrees, even if it’s under non-real world circumstances (I’ll never have all four cores under sustained 100% load). So, I did a couple of things. First, I disabled Hyperthreading, as I don’t think I need it. Who really needs 8 thread processing capability anyway? Four is quite enough for now. HT actually slows down performance under certain circumstances. Secondly, I started lowering my CPU voltage in steps, in order to find the lowest voltage that the CPU would run at stably.

As a result of the changes, I was able to run a second 24 hour mixed torture test, again with no errors. My maximum core temperature on any of the cores was 72 degrees.

So I stopped right there. I now have a i7-920 running 100% stable at 4.0GHz, with perfectly reasonable temperatures. To put this into perspective, this is 666MHz faster than a stock 975, which costs almost 3 times the price. In fact, it is faster than the stock 975 by the same margin that the 975 is faster than the 920 at stock.

I’m sure I could get this CPU faster, too. But why? I have no need.

Summary of experience? Rather expensive, but I’m seriously happy with what I’ve got.

Oh yeah, those synthetic benchmarks... :)

The only one that I’ve run thus far is 3DMark Vantage. I can give comparative scores with this one, because I run it whenever I add a new piece of kit. However, because I have the same graphics card as before, I didn’t expect too much of a change. After all, 3DMark is far more concerned with your GPU than your CPU.

So, what did it score?

My old rig (E6600@3GHz, 6GB DDR2, 4870X2): H8379
My new rig (i7-920@4GHz, 6GB DDR3, 4870X2): H11342

A 35% improvement in overall benchmark score based on the changes made

The important bit is the CPU score though. So how did that fair?

My old rig: 9454
My new rig: 24384

Now that's more like it. A 150% improvement in CPU score. Now I'm smiling a bit.

One last thing of interest. How do my graphics scores compare between the two CPU's driving teh same card. I always felt that my 4870X2 was being constrained somewhat by my old CPU. Is this the case?

My old rig: 5094
My new rig: 10364

Now that really is something. My new rig scores more than double on the graphics score, despite having the same graphics card. Clearly, my graphics card was not able to work to it's full potential when driven by my old CPU.

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And that's about it. A long article, much longer than I intended. Thanks to anyone who's made it this far, I hope it was worth the read :)

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by J_Th4ng » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:43 pm

Part IV: Installation and Configuration

The next day at work was tortuous. All I wanted was to get home, and get stuck into installing Windows, and see how lightning fast my new system was. I spent most of the day browsing the internet, looking for tweaking guides, downloading Windows 7 drivers for my hardware, and planning my evening’s entertainment (as I said before, I’m a geek and this is the most fun I know how to have).

One interesting thing that I did find (what an amazing coincidence that it was on the same day), Intel had released new firmware for their G2 SSD’s which enabled TRIM support under Windows 7. I downloaded the new firmware, and used the iso to create a CD that would flash the firmware. This is great, I thought. I’d heard stories of a previous version of the firmware that had caused data loss on application, and figured it would be a good idea to flash the SSD before I installed Windows 7, so that I wouldn’t have any data to lose...

So I got home, forced the kids into bed early, and settled down in front of the PC to get my geek on. I popped the firmware disk into the optical drive, and fired up the PC, being sure to press delete several hundred times so as to be sure that it would enter the BIOS.

My first scan of the BIOS left me feeling happy. Things were laid out in a very similar manner to my previous motherboard (also an ASUS), so I was quite at home setting up the boot sequence, turning off onboard sound, and browsing through the overclocking options. I did get a little nervous on the overclocking side of things, because there were a whole load of new BIOS settings, complete with TLAs (three letter acronyms) that I’d never heard of. The manual wasn’t much help in this regard, being like most motherboard manuals that just state the obvious, without telling you what it means. For example, there is a BIOS setting called ‘A.I. Overclocking’, and the options that you can set are ‘Enabled’ or ‘Disabled’. I look up that setting in the manual, and it says (I quote) ‘Enables or disables the A.I Overclocking feature’. No shit Sherlock. And of course, most of the manual’s descriptions are like this.

I won’t worry about this for now, I thought, Overclocking is a way away yet. First I need to get the system running, and then I can take the time to research all of these new and improved TLA’s.

So I set the boot sequence for my drives (SSD first, followed by DVD), save settings, and exit the BIOS.

A few seconds later, the PC finds the ISO image on the CD, and loads up the firmware update program. I let it run, and a couple of minutes later my SSD is updated to the latest firmware. All good so far :) .

I reboot, replacing the firmware update CD with the Windows 7 Home Premium DVD. Another few seconds later and I’m installing Windows 7.

I won’t bore you with the details of the install (I’m sure that you’re bored enough by now if you’ve actually got this far), suffice to say that it installs in much the same way as previous versions of Windows. What I will comment on though, is how quick the process was. I don’t know if this is a direct result of using an SSD, or if the install is just a lot more streamlined than Vista, but Windows was completely installed in about 20 minutes. Add some more time on for getting my device drivers all installed without any hiccoughs at all, thanks to some excellent driver work from ATi and Creative Labs. And I was ready to play.

A couple of issues that I do have with the system as it is:

Weirdly enough, Intel’s own matrix storage manager doesn’t support TRIM functionality. Additionally, you can’t run an SSD in RAID if you want TRIM support. I had no intention of running it in RAID (I only have one anyway!!), but I did want to run my 1.5GB HDD’s in RAID 1, in order to give me data security on those drives. However, the HDD setup in the BIOS of the Rampage allows for only one setting for all SATA devices. So, if I put it in RAID, I can RAID my HDD’s, but get no TRIM support for my SSD. If I put in AHCI, I get TRIM Support for my SSD, but no RAID on the HDDs.

At this stage, I’ve chosen to run in AHCI, and forgo RAID support on the HDDs. I’m running backups of my important data, backing it up to my second HDD. The upside of this is that I have more storage space, because I don’t back up everything. The downside is that I can lose data between backups. But hey, it’s something that I have to live with.

Incidentally, on the SSD firmware update thing. When I got to work the next day, I saw a news article on Tom’s Hardware about Intel firmware bricking SSDs!! :yikes: . I opened the article to find that the new firmware I had downloaded and used has caused failure on a number of SSD’s, to the extent that Intel have removed the firmware from their website and have strongly encouraged all users who have not updated yet to hold back and not do so. The firmware was available for one day, and it just happened to be the same day that I built my PC. I have been lucky. My drive was fine, and I’ve noticed no adverse effects so far (touch wood). Intel have said that the problem either happens immediately or not at all, so I should be okay. Apparently the issue mostly happens when people already had Win7 64bit installed on the drive. Thankfully I decided to flash before installing Windows!!

Anyway enough on the installation and configuration. I’m sure that you want to know how the system performs, so I’ll cover performance and overclocking in the next (and final) section.

Re: System upgrade write-up – November 2009

by J_Th4ng » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:39 pm

Part III: Assembly – Putting it all together

Okay, so once all of the components arrived, I was ready to start with the build. Being a typical PC geek, I thoroughly enjoy this part of the process, it’s one of the few activities where I am happy to take my time, and make sure that everything is put together exactly how I want it. I also tend to get very absorbed when doing this, as such I attempted to take photos to track the process, but it appears that I forgot for long periods of time during the build. Anyway, I’ll post what I have.

First, my rig as it was:

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The first thing that I had to do was remove my old system from the case. Actually, this isn’t true. The first thing that I really had to do was make sure that the kids were all securely in bed, as the last thing I wanted were those extra pairs of ‘helping hands’ that invariably end up destroying fragile computer components.

Anyway, once they were safely locked up bedded down, I set to stripping down the old PC. An easy enough job to do, and one that always amazes me with the amount of dust and other crap that has accumulated inside the case over time.

Once I had removed all of the old components, I was left with an almost empty Chassis. I say almost empty because there was still amount of dirt and grime in there, as well as the watercooling unit, which I didn’t intend removing if at all possible.

This led me to my first unpleasant task. Due to the change in waterblock, I needed to drain the watercooling system. I also would not be able to close up the loop immediately afterwards, as it’s never advisable to have the CPU block piped in before it’s mounted on the CPU. What this meant was that I had to remove the old waterblock, drain the water into a bowl, and try and ensure that every lost drop came out so that I didn’t have any stray water droplets landing on my new motherboard as I mounted it into the case. This turned out to be fairly messy, but not overly problematic.

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Once that was done, I set about seating the CPU into the motherboard, and getting the waterblock securely mounted onto the CPU. First step in the process was to attach the tubing to the CPU block (once again you don’t want to do this once the block is mounted on top of the CPU as it takes a bit of force to get the tubes securely attached to the mountings). Once completed, I attaché the backplate to the motherboard, so that the waterblock could be mounted. Once this was done, I dug out an old tube of ‘Arctic Silver 5’ thermal compound, and smeared a thin layer over the top of the CPU. Seating the CPU was a breeze, and the process was completed by placing the waterblock on top of the CPU, and screwing the retaining bracket into the backplate that I had attached earlier. The mounting bracket screws have spring tensioners, which is good as it ensures that you can’t over tighten the mounting bracket and thereby damage the CPU.

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With the CPU and waterblock securely attached onto the motherboard, I was ready to mount the motherboard into the chassis. Fortunately, the alignment of the mounting risers was identical to my old motherboard, so none of these had to be repositioned. This time I also managed to remember to attach the motherboard backplate (that silvery thing with holes cut into it that covers all of the connections on the back of the case) before mounting the motherboard. My last build had me removing the damn motherboard afterwards to that I could put this piece in. Anyway, the board went in nice and easily, and it was then a simple job to attach the three RAM modules in their triple channel configuration. So far so good!

It was at this point in proceedings where the value of the HAF-932 chassis came to the fore. The case being a full tower design, there is plenty of space to work within it. Also, having a bottom mounted CPU means that there is space at the bottom of the motherboard to work in when attaching all of the peripherals which always seem to have their headers at the bottom of the board (USB, Firewire, SATA, IDE, Audio headers and all of the case switches).

Before I put all of the other bits in, I reconnected all of the piping for the watercooling unit. No errant drips had come out so far, but from this stage onwards I was going to be flipping the case around a bit to get everything else in, and didn’t want to take any chances.

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Mounting hard drives into the HAF-932 is a doddle. Unlike most conventional cases, the drives are mounted sideways into the chassis, by means of clip and slide out trays that need no screws (thumb or otherwise). This sideways mounting has the added advantage of leaving the cable mounts for power and motherboard connection on the side of the case, behind the motherboard tray. The only slight complication that I had with this build was the fact that the Intel SSD is a 2.5” drive, not the usual 3.5” drive. Fortunately I had remembered to buy a special mounting bracket for the SSD, so it was easy to attach this to the drive, and then the drive was easily placed into one of the sliding HDD trays.

Obviously optical drives can’t be mounted sideways (unless you want the drive tray to come out on the side of the case). Even still these are easily mounted into the HAF with retaining clips – again no screws are required.

Once all of my drive bays were populated, I installed the graphics card and sound card. Originally this was the X-Fi platinum card and break out box, but this was subsequently replaced with the Xonar Essence ST.

Once all of these components were installed, but before mounting the PSU, I connected all of the cables. SATA cables to drives and motherboard. Case fans to the motherboard fan headers, the audio and USB front panel connectors, as well as USB backplates mounted to motherboard headers. Watercooling radiator fans connected to the watercooling main unit, and of course the power switch, power LED, reset switch and HDD activity LED.

Once all of the functional components were installed, I installed the PSU. As with most modular PSUs, there are a few cables that are hard wired to the unit, and a bunch of removable cables which are only mounted in the event that they are needed. Happily, all of the hard wired cables were needed for my installation, meaning no wasted cables left in the case. These were a 24pin motherboard power connector, an 8pin motherboard 12V connector, and two six/eight pin PIC-E connectors. That had my motherboard and graphics card sorted.

I needed two optional SATA cables, as I have six drives (2xSSD, 2xHDD, 2xOptical), and each of the cables have a choice of 2 or four connectors.

I also needed one optional Molex cable, to power my watercooling pump and for extra power required on the sound card. Once again, thanks to the design of the HAF, all of these cables were able to run behind the motherboard tray, well out of the way.

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Once everything was properly connected and double checked, I closed up the back panel of the case. Or at least I tried to... There were so many cables running at the back, a lot of them on top of each other that the side panel couldn’t fit.

As with a lot of the world’s problems, this was quickly resolved with the help of a roll of duct tape, and some cable ties. Who cares what it looks like back there, that side of the case has no need for prettiness or airflow.

With all of the bits connected, and the case partially closed up, all that remained was to turn on the system and see how it worked. Well, not quite. There was one more rather crucial task remaining. At this point, my watercooling unit was missing the vital ingredient. Water. I unlatched the reservoir/pump unit, slid the unit forward out the front of the case, and opened the water entry plug. With the aid of a funnel, I poured the water back in to the unite, noting with satisfaction that it flowed fairly well into the pipes to fill the unit. Not completely, of course, but enough to be sure that there would be water in the system when I fired it up. What I now needed to do was to turn on the juice, and then top up the reservoir as the pump moved water through the system.

So I took a deep breath, and pressed the power switch. Nothing. I instantly panicked. What had I done wrong, why wasn’t it working? Had I cocked it up completely? Nope, it turns out that I hadn’t actually plugged it in. This super new PSU of mine doesn’t actually generate its own electricity, it still needs to be connected to the wall :sneaky:

After I corrected my error, I pressed the power button again. Light came on and fans started to spin. The inside of my case was bathed in a sickly green glow from the watercooling radiator fans. I started celebrating. Then I started panicking again. No water was circulating through the watercooling loop!! Effectively, I was running my new i7 CPU without any cooling.

Switched off the power, and started checking all of my connections. Everything was properly wired up. I knew that there was power going to the pump, because the radiator fans are powered from there, and they were spinning (and glowing green). Had I broken the pump somehow?

A short while later, I found the problem. Somehow, I’d managed to connect a molex connector to the watercooling pump the wrong way round. As anyone who’s actually read this far will know, molex are supposed to be shaped so that they can only fit one way round. I’d managed to force the connector in the wrong way around. Interestingly, this stopped the pump from working, but the radiator fans still worked just fine. Very odd.

Anyway, I turned the connection around, and fired it all up again. Success. The pump started pumping, and the air in the loop disappeared rapidly, replaced by green water. I breathed out again.

Bleeding the air out of a watercooling loop is actually quite a tricky business. The first thing that one needs to do is ensure that the reservoir is at the highest point in the loop. A basic knowledge of physics (or a tendency to fart in the bath) is enough to tell anyone that air likes to move upwards through water. If for example your radiator is at the top of the loop (as when it’s mounted in the top of your case), the air will travel there, and not come out. This will obviously mean that your radiator won’t work too well, as heat won’t be removed from the water. What one actually has to do is detach the radiator from the case, and put it at the bottom of the loop, shaking and spinning it around a bit to dislodge all of the air out of it. As you do this, the air will travel through to the reservoir, and be released (much like a fart bubble exiting the bath). Whilst doing this, the water level will drop, so you need to top up the reservoir while doing this, until no bubbles remain.

Anyway, so I did all of the above, and finished the hardware build by closing up the side of my case.

The entire process had taken me about 5 hours. It was now about 1:30am on a school night, so I packed up all of my stuff, moved the PC back into the study, and called it quits for the night.

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