GRRR Squad Forum

Yes i think talking to other clans and using there ban list and sharing ours will make for a better game for all.

Guys, I think some are missing the point here.

Its not about giving them fair treatment or pussy footing around them, or being cowardly and not confronting them.

Hackers are the scum of the universe. We HATE them. PB and EB will kick and ban them automatically. Obviously its not immediate, but we can ban someone from our server in the meantime. I don't think we need to publickly lambaste. If you guys want, we can put this up to vote but i am not a fan of riding on what a thread about hackers will become.

This is how I think it will pan out on the public forums.

Us: "Hey guys, here is a vid of a hacker we caught"
Community: "Trollpost 1"
Community: "Trollpost 2"
Community: "Good find, good riddance, gg"
Community: "Trollpost 3"
Community: "Aren't your servers running PB???"
Us: "PB catches hacks it has on their systems, not up to us"
Community: "Yeah, you are all hacking on your server, i'll avoid thanks"
Us: "No, we ban hackers off our servers"
Community: "Trollpost 4-30"

etc

What we MUST do is get all server admins on 1 group of sorts, and share our banlists. That is the best thing we can do. If you give me the go ahead, I will start getting in contact with server owners I know.

As far as I understand, procon's banlist can be shared somehow?

If we as players do not stand up and start policing our own community then who will? PB and fairplay obviously only go so far and other services such as metabans and cheatometer have their own inherent flaws in the number of false positives they were spitting out.

I sat through 750hrs of bf3 swearing and cursing many a good player who probably didnt deserve it because of cheats like this and i think when we catch one red handed as in this case they need to be exposed publicly in a grrr like fashion.

I agree with everyone that we cannot just throw hackusations around, unless the video evidence is almost undeniable i wouldnt even post it for discussion as i would rather keep my paranoia to myself...

I will report this person to EA/Dice and attempt to make another video thats a little more grrr, it may take a while with my limited skills.

I see no reason for not sharing the video in the meantime, just don't say that its hacking, let the obvious speak for itself and let everyone else comment.

If the person is banned by EA and there is proof then maybe we could name and shame but I don't want to be viewed as petty. I too hate hackers, I absolutely hate them but getting them banned from the servers we play on and the DGL is fine for me.

If they make a stink of it then we can publicly roast them, I do beleive though taking the higher road it the right way

I will go with the clan leaders' decision on this, but just out of curiosity, why do we want to pussy foot around cheaters? We will obviously not be able to ban him anywhere but on our server so obviously if we want to get him banned by EA the proper channels will (and has) to be followed but why do we want to treat any cheaters as human beings, they are pieces of useless shit. Period end of story.

Obviously before we lambaste somebody, we need to at least all agree on the following:

[list=1]
[*]Yes, this person is clearly cheating and we have video evidence showing it.
[*]Yes, there is enough evidence in the video so that even a layman can also see this is cheating. (i.e. not well, maybe he is a good player, it needs to be clear that this is hacking!)
[*]The proper channels has been followed and even EA agrees to this being a cheat.[/list]
Once the 3 points above is ticked, then I can see no reason why the video should not go viral. In fact, I don’t believe that by us taking a very strong stance will ruin in any way whatsoever the community’s view of GRRR, in fact, I think they may actually strengthen it. Look, it is the same, god forbid, if somebody in GRRR is caught as a cheater, if the evidence is there we should not “protect” that person in any way whatsoever, the same with other clans. If we have clear evidence that this person is cheating, and EA banned his arse, and that clan is still protecting that player, then the community at large need to be able to see the evidence and also know that clan XYZ is a bunch of douchebags who turns a blind eye to cheaters. Pointless to pussy foot around clan XYZ just because they are XYZ. In my mind, having this policy in place will ensure that people will actually want to play where GRRR players are playing because cheaters will know they will get it hard when they screw around us. I have always failed to understand why when people are caught cheating it is such a hush hush affair.

I would actually love it if at the end of the year the clans, who are supposed to be the “guardians” and promoters of the game, goes into a bragging competition of just how many cheaters they identified and got banned from the games. (obviously there is a difference between accusing somebody of cheating and actual cheating which is why I’ve mentioned the above three caveats/guidelines that needs to be true before doing it). In other words, if EA bans them, then there are no doubt that it is a cheat. I agree that just because Pietie thinks Kosie is a hack doesn't warrant a full blown public catastrophy.

Any event, I’ll go with whatever the clan decides on this one. I’ve aired my 2cents.

Ps, I hate cheaters and hackers almost as much as I hate Telkom and Mweb.

Good find kalgat!

Agreed with Hubris and Duck. As much as hackers deserve to be named / shamed, it is not our place. We will ban him from our servers and report him through official channels.

Yip that is why I say we just ban him from our server and we can take it to the "authorities" like EA and DGL without plastering it all over the internet

I'm with Hubris on this one.

If we do feature anything to do with hacking - there will be Redaction over the Names and kills - just clips to show what hacking looks like.

My 2c on the issue. I think we should be careful about nominating ourselves as community policemen. While it's a noble cause, it isn't really our battle to fight alone and there is lots of room to bring the clan into disrepute - especially when it relates to competitive play. What if we start accusing people who arn't hackers and who is going to take shifts to spectate games? It's fun and exciting to burn the witch, but I feel it takes us into troubled water. Let the official channels deal with hackers.

Lets face it, hacking is a real problem - however, it is much less of a problem than it has been in the past and in most cases it's mostly a convenient excuse for shitty netcode and poor play. I'm not denying that the snapping in the video is dodgy, but what I'm trying to get across is that this guy is probably only 13 or so, sucks with hacks anyway and isn't playing competitively. Do we really need to make a whole song and dance about him? Just report his ass and move on.

I dunno, you guys must do what you want but when it starts spilling over to accusing guys left right and centre publicly especially in other clans its not good for grrr. I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of spotlight video on how hacking is done and how it affects the community, to raise awareness and educate people on how to recognise and deal with hacking. Using this sort of footage for something like that I think is much more constructive and will be welcomed by all.

My issue with hacking is that a BF game is never complete without hackusations and the community needs to grow out of that. To be honest that annoys me more than the actual hacking - it's much more frequent and often more juvenile. Hacking is a serious issue, but it's not up to us to be judge, jury and executioner. If someone is going to lose access to the DGL or even the game they paid for, that needs to be presided over by the appropriate authorities.